Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Wednesday

Am)Jog up my jeep road. 1150 feet in 2.6 miles. Round trip was 6 miles total in 46:53(7:48 pace). I wore a Camelbak but this time it just had 1.5 liters of water. Kept this all very relaxed with my mind on the 50 mile run in 3 days. My legs didn't feel great.

21 comments:

Nick said...

Wait, no bags of sand or anchors in the camelback?

I guess if you're planning on using a camelback at Leadville than it might not be a bad idea getting used to running with a heavier load. Is that your logic, or are you just a crazy man?

May 12 - Green TT. See GZ comment thread.

Lucho said...

Nick- Ya, that's kind of my thinking, that I want to get used to running with the heavy pack. At Leadville I won't run with more than 1.5 liters which is only ~3.3 pounds though. I am still undecided on the hand helds. It seems one would lose more time stopping to refill bottles than the added weight of the pack would cost?
Ya, I'm absolutely in for the Green TT! I'll take mine with sugar and milk though.
Cheers~

GZ said...

Tim - it might be more time to fill a Camelbak?

While I was in the canyon, I went with the Camelbak. However to get the bladder to adequately fill you need to take it out of the pack, fill it and then get it back in the pack. While I was dicking around doing that, John would come by, quickly fill his hand helds and move on.

That said, I think I recently heard that it has been shown that have that weight out there, swinging at the arm is less efficient than having the weight close to the body.

So ... not sure which way to tilt on that.

Lucho said...

Definitely GZ, but the plan is to do what Matt C did and simply trade packs with my crew and they will re-fill between stations. This weekend I can also trade packs at 25 miles but I am contemplating using the hand held bottles to see how it feels.
What are all the cool kids doing?

GZ said...

I'd have to ask Brandon or Justin to find out what the cool kids are doing. Although I think Justin is now Justin the Hut as he is supposedly eating the whole damn fridge in celebration.

JV did a hand held in the canyon for water but had a slack vest for other shit.

And if I recall, Carpenter shoved a 100oz bladder in a 70oz frame. And dissolved his GU's into it.

Tim - the article I referenced last night. As it turned out, he did not get to hide under the car as it was being towed.

http://antonkrupicka.blogspot.com/2009/07/mosquito-pass-crossing-ode-to-father.html

Anton said...

It's up to you, but dipping out of streams or re-filling at aid stations with a CB bladder is a bitch. Hence, my use of hand-helds (and the colonization of probably several diff. species of not-entirely-welcome microbes in my gut). Stream dipping probably isn't required at Pb (especially if you're carrying 1.5 (!) liters on your back), but I do it in a number of places the second half of the race (descending and ascending the south side of Hope Pass, between Twin and Halfmoon...doing it any place else on the course and you're risking some serious heavy-metals ingestion) because it's hotter in the afternoon and you're moving slower (taking longer) between aid stations/crew points. Drinking from streams is virtually mandatory at Hardrock (which is why Kyle ran with only 1 bottle most of that race).

At Pb last year I left TL (mile 60) with four full bottles (~70oz total), Alex (my pacer) didn't drink a drop, I didn't dump any on my head, and we ran out of water 10-15min before the next aid station moving at CR pace. The course change cut out the streams I usually dip from on the Colorado Trail, plus it was just freakin' hot and exposed on the re-routed section.

I seriously just forget to drink if I don't have the bottle there in my hand, and it's also easier to dump water on your head out of a bottle than out of a bladder hose.

Finally, if the bottle is about 2/3 full or less I can successfully run with it just stuck in my waistband (w/ drawstring), which is pretty darn close to my center of gravity. Matt will often employ the bottle-in-armpit-quasi-football-style carry to keep it closer to the body, but I've never been able to comfortably master this technique and feel efficient.

T

Lucho said...

GZ- Thanks for the link. Brandon would load his Hummer with Burger King and hair gel.

Thanks Anton. Drinking out of streams I hadn't thought of (although I heard that Giardia is the new diet of the stars this year). Definitely I agree that the Camelbak isn't the best if I have to refill it and the hand held is faster in that regard.
Cheers and have a great race!

Nick said...

Not sure if you'll have a crew, but if you do and you're all on top of things you shouldn't have to break stride switching out bottles at aid stations. If you get a day like last year, then you'll probably be thankful for the 1.5 liters on your back if you go that route.

BTW, enjoy your run this weekend. Just looked at the start list - some stiff competition.

Lucho said...

Nick- I saw the start list and only recognize Andrew Henshaw and of course John Anderson... I'm too new to the scene to know who else is good. Any insight?
T

Dave said...

Giardia is SO last year. In 2010, Lindsay Lohan takes her cocaine with a tapeworm!

Mainly, I just wanted to comment in this thread because everyone else who has commented is varying degrees of famous (even among non-ultra multisport people such as myself). Like Lenny in Of Mice and Men, I can't help but break pretty things.

Lucho said...

Dave- You're almost famous and probably will be more than anyone on here. Hilarious umbrella hitchhiking post today.

Nick said...

Andy is going after Krupicka's record (which I told him is soft) and I'm pretty confident he'll get it. Wouldn't be surprised if John A dips under it too, as he looks to be running well this year.

Besides those two, there are a couple of other guys who should go well, including: Bryan Goding, Corey Hanson, Glen Delman, Rick Hessek, Jason Koop (6th or 7th at Pb last year), but I'd imagine they'll all be in the chase pack

Lucho said...

Thanks Nick. I read Andy's recap of American River, if his hamstring doesn't tweak again then he should crush the record for sure. Then he has a 100k AND Western States in the next 8 weeks!? How the hell can anyone recover from that much racing?

Nick said...

Yeah, that 100k three weeks out from WS100 seems like an unnecessary risk. I'm sure he's got it in his mind that he'll do it as a training run, but that's easier said than done when you're in the thick of it.

Lucho said...

The terms 'training run' and '100k' go together like 'jog' and 'hard'... and even the 50 miler on Saturday seems excessive? How can one train for Western States AND recover from a 50 miler or a 100k?
You should be hoping Andy breaks the course record on Saturday, one less guy you have to battle at WS (IMO). He is just a whipper snapper though, those damn kids recover faster than us old guys :)

Nick said...

A 50 miler 7 weeks out seems okay to me. I'm doing one 5 weeks out and I'm more than comfortable with that, but then I'm also planning a three-week taper with a big mileage cutback.

I know MC thinks SJ50 cost him at Leadville first time out, but I don't buy that: two months is a ton of time to recover.

I guess that's what makes the 100-miler so interesting: there's no general consensus on how best to train for them - other than running lots.

Lucho said...

And here is where I obviously have a lot to learn! When I was training a bit with Alan Culpepper he believed that you couldn't run more than 3-4 quality 10k's per year. And never more than 2 quality marathons per year. I think I am too hung up on road racer mentality which is also (or so it seems) where Matt Carpenter leans more towards. Putting all the eggs in to one racing basket? I don't have the balls to race often nor do I enjoy racing enough to want to. Good insight Nick, thanks!

Anton said...

Nick/Tim,
My run at CP is definitely soft. I didn't even know what the previous CR was that day and basically just went out for a run. Jocelyn and I went to a concert in Denver the night before (Regina Spektor), rolled into BV at 1:30am, slept 4hrs in the bathroom in the public park in the middle of town, woke up and ran.

I just looked back at my logs and I did 207 miles in the 7 days leading up to the "race". Eh, not exactly a taper. So yeah, Andy's definitely in good shape, and John should give him a good run, though with all my time on the trails here in Boulder, I've only run into him exactly once on the trails (he is in med school). It's a fun course, though, with incredible views (I love that area of CO) and even some fun singletrack sections. Have fun, Tim!

T

Lucho said...

Damn Anton... to say it's soft is an understatement then!? I'm not sure you could have done anything more to not run your best :)

kerrie said...

i am so in for the TT on the 12th. i will start training tomorrow and hope to catch some giardia so i have less to carry on the way up(although i will probably still be pushing my double baby jogger).

however the best line in all of
this, and it's hard to pick - is the one about brandon, hair gel and his hummer. is he going to be driving it up green mt?

have a great race(i forgot it was this weekend)! if you really want to run with a heavy pack, maybe you could carry a bag of breadcrumbs or pebbles like hansel(of hansel and gretel) ;).

GZ said...

I have heard some folks "claim" that since they drink out of streams often, giardia is already in their system (naturally) and so they are not prone to the distress it would cause in a more "sterile" GI. Not sure if there is any truth to that.

Good luck this weekend Tim!