tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post479461503361020366..comments2024-02-26T01:37:03.845-07:00Comments on Joghard: Saturday 24 miles.Luchohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07992289866901355978noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-47608868527705994392008-08-10T05:41:00.000-06:002008-08-10T05:41:00.000-06:00Beth- No belt... you're tougher than me! I think t...Beth- No belt... you're tougher than me! I think the difference between doing an aqua-jog for recovery and for an actual workout lies in the belt. I would say to keep the recovery sessions with a belt, and as you pointed out, to learn the proper run form. <BR/> Watch the tendonitis when starting aqua-jogging too. The tendency for a runner to develop tendonitis in the ankles and hips is high. But for the same reason there is risk- there is also benefit. <BR/> And yet another thought- aqua-jogging is great for learning the best way to carry your arms. The water exacerbates inefficiency.Luchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07992289866901355978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-3022733572297995412008-08-09T23:33:00.000-06:002008-08-09T23:33:00.000-06:00hey!just a note on the aquajogging. i spent 3 mont...hey!<BR/><BR/>just a note on the aquajogging. i spent 3 months doing it 5 days a week last summer. i started with a belt to get the right form and then ditched the belt- thought the workout was a lot better sans belt(for me). so that's an option.<BR/><BR/>yeah- that 400IM was AWESOME! we just watched him crush it.bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310216701736465080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-89356455067595589242008-08-09T21:44:00.000-06:002008-08-09T21:44:00.000-06:00Ya- the aquajogging is with a belt in the deep end...Ya- the aquajogging is with a belt in the deep end. Part of the benefit to this is the compression effect that the water has on your legs. At a depth of ~4ft the water pressure squeezes your legs quite a bit more than you realize. Plus the movement increases blood flow and loosen the muscles. It's a great recovery workout with zero impact on your legs. <BR/> I think the sauna is a phenomenal tool for any athlete. I really have read a lot on the thermoregulatory response of the body but there isn't too much info in regards to an endurance athlete. Vasodilation is is one benefit- all the little cappilaries expand and open up increasing oxygen transport. This also increases blood volume. You sweat out a lot of heavy metals and waste product which is great for health. Heat acclimation- your body will learn to preserve electrolyte stores. I also think there is a benefit to the aerobic system- although I am a simple 'arm chair' physiologist.. like I said today, after 45:00 I felt like I just finished a 5k race. My HR was elevated and I was obviously in oxygen debt. <BR/> Brfoot gave some great info in regards to the body responding by releasing hormones that increase the inflammatory response too- although I don't think this is a good thing. <BR/> The suffering is different between running and cycling and swimming. I'm watching the Olympics right now and Michael Phelps just crushed the WR in the 400IM.. I think that is far harder than a sub- 1:00 1/2 marathon. Phelps' big weeks are 80 miles (25-30 hours).. cyclists' big weeks are 35-40 hours.. a runners big weeks are 14-16 hours.. less suffering by time for sure.Luchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07992289866901355978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-24531718127111602062008-08-09T20:55:00.000-06:002008-08-09T20:55:00.000-06:00Lucho, one more thing.The water running is simply ...Lucho, one more thing.<BR/><BR/>The water running is simply the belt in the deep end, yeah?<BR/><BR/>And what are the specific benefits of the sauna? I know you've mentioned, but it's obviously big.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06680473738547005786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-27127061409607826402008-08-09T20:47:00.000-06:002008-08-09T20:47:00.000-06:00I see your point but imagine some elite tri sprint...I see your point but imagine some elite tri sprint guy vs. Ryan Hall's sub 1 hr. half. Is there a similarity in HR? I don't know. But one is like a ride at the county fair. The other is a sick world class achievement that's waaaay out of reach. The sprint bike is 9 miles. A road half marathon will beat you up so even with HR it's only part of the picture (and I know that's part of what you said: "apples and oranges"). <BR/><BR/>Cheers, Lucho.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06680473738547005786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-92118775776037041302008-08-09T20:34:00.000-06:002008-08-09T20:34:00.000-06:00Matt- Of course this is apples and oranges. Close ...Matt- Of course this is apples and oranges. Close in intensity from an effort stand point, so I think you and I are agreeing. I am trying to equate intensity based on relation to lactate threshold, running a half marathon you are just a couple of beats below LT- then above LT for the last 3-4 miles. A sprint tri, because of the duration in time of the over-all event, is similar. <BR/> And on a final note- the 40 miles I ran on Wednesday of last week was a cake walk compared to the Ironman run. I've started an Ironman wasted, dead, exhausted tired and every step for 26 miles was painful.<BR/> With swimming the suffering is different from running, far different. I think cycling may be tougher than running simply because of the length of time one can suffer on a bike (think Tour De France- 21 days). I've pushed at just below my LT for several hours on group rides only to finish with an attack at a HR of 190-200. Running is the simplest and least technical of the 3 disciplines but also the hardest on the body.. <BR/> Once again, apples and oranges.Luchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07992289866901355978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-51651619173671410052008-08-09T18:32:00.000-06:002008-08-09T18:32:00.000-06:00Lucho,a half marathon is "close" to a sprint tri? ...Lucho,<BR/>a half marathon is "close" to a sprint tri? No way. If you can run, a half marathon is a beast. Sure I'm a putz, but even an oly is not a half marathon at, say, 7:00 mile. <BR/><BR/>A sprint is just a "sprint."<BR/><BR/>And I did catch the caveat that tris and running are completely diff.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06680473738547005786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-15019423192080658782008-08-09T15:31:00.000-06:002008-08-09T15:31:00.000-06:00Oh, now I see. Sorry, I just couldn't wrap my head...Oh, now I see. Sorry, I just couldn't wrap my head around it. Now it makes plenty of sense.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556131230955737650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-77387917030037416132008-08-09T12:28:00.000-06:002008-08-09T12:28:00.000-06:00Frank- What you need to look at is the over-all ti...Frank- What you need to look at is the over-all time of the event. There is no exact equivalent as tris and running are completely different. But I would surmise that a 1/2 marathon may be close in intensity to a sprint tri. This would be for a well trained runner. A half marathon can be run hard from the gun. <BR/> <BR/>Dave- 103% of marathon pace, not max. Using 5:30 pace, 103% would be 3% faster than 5:30 pace or ~5:26 pace.<BR/> I may not be explaining myself too well and should just say 3% faster than goal pace.Luchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07992289866901355978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-42626385046025153302008-08-09T12:05:00.000-06:002008-08-09T12:05:00.000-06:00Just curious, what is the 103% HR? I'm not a math ...Just curious, what is the 103% HR? I'm not a math guy whatsoever, but I'm a little confused as to getting up to 103%. Wouldn't you top out at 100%? I'm sorry if the answer to this is obvious, but I'm definately lost on this one.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556131230955737650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5857054182085881319.post-15391893302304478112008-08-09T09:34:00.000-06:002008-08-09T09:34:00.000-06:00Lucho - Interesting comment on open marathon vs. O...Lucho - Interesting comment on open marathon vs. OD/HIM tri. What would you suggest for open half-marathon intensity expressed in tri-equivalent terms?<BR/><BR/>(from a new Dad who has finally realized that there's just no time for swim and bike this year)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com